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How can an activated western mind become quiet?
Show me this western mind. Put it in
front of me and I will show you what to do with it. Or, if you can't,
show me an eastern mind instead.
It can't be shown.
You see, they both have this one thing in
common. They cannot be shown. Where is the difference
between them?
Today I was agitated. During meditation I was looking for the
cause of this agitation, but I didn't find it.
The agitation is not in the present.
It is in your memory. During meditation it was not there, otherwise
you would have found the cause. So, forget it.
I am not in peace.
You need to be vigilant. Vigilance is
not just observing the thinking or the no-thinking. Complete forgetfulness
is vigilance. When you have forgotton everything, there is vigilance.
If you believe that you are not in peace, you are activating thoughts from
your memory. Just forget everything and stay quiet.
It is easy to believe in life after death, but what if there is really
nothing at all?
In both cases, they are beliefs.
What about reincarnations?
Reincarnation only exists in the waking state.
When all the activities of the mind and the body cease, we are silent and
inactive. We call this 'the sleeping state'. When all the activities
go back to their objects, we are in the waking state. The silence of sleep
is an inactive silence out of which activities arise. But the real
state, that lies behind waking, dreaming and sleeping, is an active
silence. Nothing arises in it. There is no coming or going in that
real silence.
People follow different paths. How is it that people who are looking
for the same truth don't accept that other people's paths might be valid?
Two individuals will never agree. There
will only be one understanding when both of them find out what mind really
is.
Why do thousands of pictures come to me and appear both inside and outside?
And how do I get rid of them?
It is your interest in things that brings
these pictures. When you are not vigilant, there are pictures. But
when you are vigilant, there is nothing.
In the state of vigilance, do things disappear?
If there is no desire, the reality of things
disappears. Anyway, why not simply say that things are only appearances?
When you have a question, the question is never in the 'now'. Questions
always refer to the past or the future. To be vigilant is to live
in the present.
Right now I am in the present. I am here, now........
Objects exist in time, through time.
The perception of them is ignorance. The ultimate reality is not
an object of thinking. When you perceive objects, you are in ignorance,
you are in time. The mind is time. It is past and present appearing
to you as objects of perception. The present cannot be shown.
It cannot be perceived. It has nothing to do with time or mind.
You say that the world is a projection of the mind and that when I sleep
it disappears. Nevertheless, during my sleep, the world continues
to exist.
You have a strong conviction that the world
exists as a real, separate entity. At night you go to sleep with
this concept, and in the morning this same concept wakes you up.
When the Master says 'Look at the mind' what exactly is he intending
to convey?
'Look at the mind' means ' Don't look at any
outside objects, or any inside objects'.
Is this what you mean by 'knowing the mind'?
Knowing the mind still implies a movement
of the mind.
When one looks at the mind, and it disappears, where does it go?
The mind never appears nor disappears.
When you look properly, you discover that it was never there at all.
Sometimes I feel 'I am everything'. Is this still mind?
Every time you record an impression on your
mind, you feed it. Whether you think ' I am nothing' or 'I am everything',
it is still thought. Let go of all thoughts, all ideas, and see what
is left. When you have let go of everything, you are absolutely
alone. It is the Master who gives you this aloneness.
'Here' is the substratum that makes the
waves move, that makes the wind blow. In 'here' you experience 'Who
am I?' In 'here' another power will take care of you, and the silence
will be deeper and deeper.
This ocean is so beautiful! It fills me with a
sense of vastness.
Be vigilant. Your mind has compared
the vastness of the ocean with the smallness of a lake that you have seen
before. Don't let your mind dwell like this on any object of vision.
What is the difference between a thousand drops and a single drop? If you
look at the depths, you see only water. This is the way to look.
If you see a 'you', it is always in relationship to a 'me'. Dive
to the substratum of all vision. There is an old Indian story that
illustrates this. One day a teacher sent his two disciples into the forest
with a pigeon each. He told them, 'Find a place where no one
is looking at you and secretly kill the pigeon. Then bring the body back
to me to prove that you have done it.' The disciples set off in different
directions. The first one found a secluded spot, killed his pigeon
and brought the body back to his Master. They both waited for a long
time but the second disciple didn't return. Eventually they had to
go looking for him. They found him under a tree with the live pigeon
still in his hands. When the Master asked him why he hadn't carried out
his instructions, the disciple replied, 'I couldn't. You told me to find
a spot where no one was looking at me, but wherever I go this pigeon is
staring at me.' 'Ah,' said the/ Master, 'If you look at him,
then he is looking at you. But if you go to the substratum, you will
not be looking at anything, and no one will be able to see you.'
How to meditate?
When the thought 'I am meditating'
arises, you are separating yourself from the Self. Real meditation
is not something that you can practice. When you practice meditation,
you have an idea about what you want to accomplish. It may be witnessing,
or visualization or quietness, or something else. If you try hard
enough, your preconceied idea will eventually manifest as a subtle mental
state and you will enjoy it as an experience. But it will not be real meditation.
It will be a mental experience that is constructed out of your initial
desire. Real meditation does not lead anywhere. Nor is it done through
effort. It just happens by itself.
But can't you give some practical advise on how
to deal with the mind and it's bad habits?
You have to remove the concepts of good
and bad from your mind. When they are gone, you are in a state of
meditation. If you are convinced that you have to do something,
just look at how thought arises, how it stays and how it goes away. When
you separate yourself from thought completely, you are yourself, as you
really are. This is freedom.
But how can I function in the world if I no longer
see any difference between good and bad?
Functioning will take place spontaneously.
But if you have to ask how this will happen, you introduce new concepts
into your mind and the spontaneity stops working. A mind without
objects is talking by itself. As I speak to you, it looks a if there
is an 'I' who is speaking. But i am not speaking. It is THAT
who speaks. When speaking takes place in this way, nothing
is stored in the memory.
Can meditation help to remove mental images and
concepts?
If there are pictures and concepts in
the mind, some effort must be there to make and sustain them. Most
methods of meditation introduce more effort by making the subject
consciously watch all the mental pictures. But if the subject disappears,
the objects will disappear along with it. Get rid of the watcher,
the meditator, and you won't need any help in removing the images and concepts.
You say that following any practice, any meditation,
takes us away from reality. I don't understand this at all.
Meditation is the unknown. It
is not something you do or practice.
When I meditate, I dive deeply into myself, but
when I come out of it, I feel just the same - full of outgoing
tendancies and anxieties. What to do?
When this thought 'I am meditating'
arises, don't meditate.
I still feel
a need to meditate. Can you suggest a technique for me?
Don't project the one who meditates.
It is important not to start something that will finish at some later point
in time. Instead, look at who you are before the idea of meditation arises
in you. See who this person is who wants to start meditating.
What is he? Where does he come from?
I don't understand.
When I say the word 'monkey', where
does your mind go?
To a picture of a monkey.
To an object, a thought in your mind
that you call 'monkey'. The monkey is not real. It is
just a thought that appeared in your mind as an object. When I ask
you to look at the place where you have come from, I am asking you to look
at this unreal idea called 'I' to see how it appeared in you and gave you
so much trouble. If you find out where this idea of 'I' comes from,
it will not trouble you any more. There is a real 'I', your own Self,
hat is unknown and unknowable. If you follow the unreal 'I' back
to the place it first arose, it will lead you to that unknown.
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